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PostSubject: Kayak roof bars   Wed Apr 06, 2011 1:36 pm

Hi folks,
haven't tipped my head in for a while, small feral creature growing and all that:0)

On the look out for any more suggestions on how to carry 1 large 4metre kayak and a couple of surfboards.

So far, I have been using Halfords industrial gutter fitting roof bars but they become loose due to the thin guttering on the Brazilians as opposed to the original T2's.

Have seen a few side mounted j bars but the pop top Isn't nearly strong enough to cope with them. The notion of putting the pull down bars on the roof as I have seen on other Danbury's are also out as an idea. They can support the odd board or 2, but not a kayak, besides, they transfer the weight directly onto the roof which I don't want.

Putting them inside Isn't of course an option so any other ideas anyone? May end up going with my original idea which is to have small metal plates welded into the guttering to reinforce the industrial rack.

Anyway, hope you are all good. Was nice to see you at the Volksworld show. Irene out every day as either Anna's or my daily driver. Just waiting for Daisy to wake up then our daily cruise down the beach :0) Hard life being a stay at home dad!

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PostSubject: Re: Kayak roof bars   Wed Apr 06, 2011 1:50 pm

Good to have you back Denni, have you looked into reinforcing the roof somehow, maybe fitting a sheet of ply to the underside of the roof for strength.

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PostSubject: Re: Kayak roof bars   Wed Apr 06, 2011 2:05 pm

Hi matey,
hope all is good. Was nice to catch up at Sandown. Ginger looking good.

Reinforcing the roof not an option because our custom mattress fits in the space.
Unfortunately I think the roof is pretty weak so I don't want to put anything near it!

I'm pretty disappointed with the roof to be honest. 3 times this year it has popped up when driving in the wind even though it has been properly battoned down. After the first time I reinforced it with longer screws and better fittings but this didnt help
at all. Simple explanation, wind flows through the side of the pop top and catches it and pops it up.

I have noticed that the sides of the roof have started to bow out slightly. According to an old school garage in France, this is due to being warped from the sun. Fair play though, we were out in the sun for a long time during our travels but still disappointing. Will probably replace it with a Westy roof later this year.

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PostSubject: Re: Kayak roof bars   Wed Apr 06, 2011 2:31 pm

Hey Denni - great to see you at Sandown.

Why not drop the idea of carrying up top entirely and get a towbar and trailer? That way you'll not have any issues about taking the kayak on/off to enable the use of the roof. Further you'll give yourself a lot more carrying capacity!

Have a look at this:

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Canoe-Dinghy-Trailer-/250799016098?pt=UK_Sporting_Goods_Canoeing_Kayaking_ET&hash=item3a64c948a2#ht_528wt_932

VW Kampers are doing new strong towbars for Kombis.

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PostSubject: Re: Kayak roof bars   Sat Apr 30, 2011 12:41 pm

Hi Tim,
eventually got round to answering you!

The last thing I would ever do is fit a tow bar to anything unless I was about 70!

Found a decent solution, a couple of commercial roof bars which I may have actually mentioned somewhere before in a post. They look like they fit perfectly although so have sourced some from ebay for 99p! Just have to clean them up and give them a go, will post pics when I get round to a trial run.
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PostSubject: Re: Kayak roof bars   Mon May 23, 2011 5:09 pm

Any good suggestions for a Kayak? Just about to buy my first but its a minefield of choice out there. Trailer seems to be best way of transporting them?
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PostSubject: Re: Kayak roof bars   Thu May 26, 2011 8:36 am

Jason,
whilst thinking about how to transport a kayak I discovered inflatable boats. I now have a Sevylor Hudson, which is a three seater, very stable boat in all weather, water conditions. Folds up into a large suitcase size bag and goes up onto the roofrack. It takes 15 mins to un pack and inflate ready to go, and that's using a foot pump, you can get single seat and doubles as well, well worth considering, ours is 'the business'.
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PostSubject: Re: Kayak roof bars   Thu May 26, 2011 8:56 am

@irishman wrote:
It takes 15 mins to un pack and inflate ready to go, and that's using a foot pump

Ah, but how long does it take to get back in that bag?!

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PostSubject: Re: Kayak roof bars   Thu May 26, 2011 9:05 am

Now theres a good question..... Shocked
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PostSubject: Re: Kayak roof bars   Thu May 26, 2011 12:55 pm

decathlon sell them as two or three seaters.
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PostSubject: Re: Kayak roof bars   Thu May 26, 2011 6:13 pm

Takes same time to deflate and pack away, has similar system to most air beds, where you can unscew the valves to allow air to escape quickly. It has drain valve in the bow to clear any water you have 'shipped'. They are made from very strong neoprene (excuse my spelling) type fabric as in most riggid inflatables.
Basically excellent fun and perfect for the van....... go on Jason treat yourself!!
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PostSubject: Re: Kayak roof bars   Thu May 26, 2011 6:25 pm

@irishman wrote:
Takes same time to deflate and pack away, has similar system to most air beds, where you can unscew the valves to allow air to escape quickly. It has drain valve in the bow to clear any water you have 'shipped'. They are made from very strong neoprene (excuse my spelling) type fabric as in most riggid inflatables.
Basically excellent fun and perfect for the van....... go on Jason treat yourself!!

Hi Irishman, still looking at these and think I will be going for the Sevlor Pointer K1 as I will be going it alone with wifey sitting on the beach
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PostSubject: Re: Kayak roof bars   Fri May 27, 2011 6:52 pm

Just ordered two hudsons from decathlon . So excited !
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PostSubject: Re: Kayak roof bars   Sat May 28, 2011 10:35 pm

@olive wrote:
@irishman wrote:
Takes same time to deflate and pack away, has similar system to most air beds, where you can unscew the valves to allow air to escape quickly. It has drain valve in the bow to clear any water you have 'shipped'. They are made from very strong neoprene (excuse my spelling) type fabric as in most riggid inflatables.
Basically excellent fun and perfect for the van....... go on Jason treat yourself!!

Hi Irishman, still looking at these and think I will be going for the Sevlor Pointer K1 as I will be going it alone with wifey sitting on the beach


Hi Olive,
the trouble I have found with the K1, Is that I am 6ft 3, quite long legged and I tended to get jammed in the cockpit.

Am thinking of the inflatable option as well as I'm fed up trying to come up with a solution for carrying the kayaks on the bus.

Will probably go for a K2 and use it as a single. Another option are Gumotex canoes, very good.

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PostSubject: Re: Kayak roof bars   Sun May 29, 2011 10:21 am

Decathlon were the cheapest for the Hudson and the Surrey branch deliver to Bristol area for just £15....Mike Diving (Internet only shop but based in Bristol) have good value wet suits etc....Good luck guys..
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PostSubject: Re: Kayak roof bars   Tue May 31, 2011 3:11 pm

Severely tempted by one of these!
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PostSubject: Re: Kayak roof bars   Tue May 31, 2011 9:24 pm

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@olive wrote:
@irishman wrote:
Takes same time to deflate and pack away, has similar system to most air beds, where you can unscew the valves to allow air to escape quickly. It has drain valve in the bow to clear any water you have 'shipped'. They are made from very strong neoprene (excuse my spelling) type fabric as in most riggid inflatables.
Basically excellent fun and perfect for the van....... go on Jason treat yourself!!

Hi Irishman, still looking at these and think I will be going for the Sevlor Pointer K1 as I will be going it alone with wifey sitting on the beach


Hi Olive,
the trouble I have found with the K1, Is that I am 6ft 3, quite long legged and I tended to get jammed in the cockpit.

Am thinking of the inflatable option as well as I'm fed up trying to come up with a solution for carrying the kayaks on the bus.

Will probably go for a K2 and use it as a single. Another option are Gumotex canoes, very good.


I am a mere 5' 11'' so it may be ok for me, I have been advised by the guy who runs Nomad Kayaking that the inflatables are dangerous and more difficult to move through the water. I know you are a keen kayaker Have you tried the inflatatables?
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PostSubject: Re: Kayak roof bars   Wed Jun 01, 2011 12:49 pm

If inflatables are dangerous why are they rated by so many people? Ive spoken to a few now that own them and they are say 'great!'
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PostSubject: Re: Kayak roof bars   Wed Jun 01, 2011 4:13 pm

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If inflatables are dangerous why are they rated by so many people? Ive spoken to a few now that own them and they are say 'great!'

After a couple of lessons this was the advice from the Kurt, who runs Nomad Sea Kayaking, he is an expert in Sea Kayaking and you are not, nor I.

Sea Kayaking is a dangerous sport and leisure pursuit, I guess the few people who you have spoken to only use inflatables in inland waterways, lakes and dont venture too far off the coastline. Going out to sea is a different experience, all kayaks are dangerous if they are not handled correctly, his advice was the rigid kayaks are a safer bet. You can choose what you like at the end of the day. Just passing on information as this is what the forum is all about
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PostSubject: Re: Kayak roof bars   Wed Jun 01, 2011 7:38 pm

Travelling for miles and going off shore is a totally different kettle of fish. If your messing around by the shore, as I presume most people on here will be doing, I can't see inflatables being a problem.

Saying they were dangerous was a bit out of context.

I'm no expert in Kayaking, but common sense tells you not to go out in massive seas or if the conditions are bad. That's when the surfboard comes out.

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PostSubject: Re: Kayak roof bars   Wed Jun 01, 2011 9:13 pm

@kiteman wrote:
Travelling for miles and going off shore is a totally different kettle of fish. If your messing around by the shore, as I presume most people on here will be doing, I can't see inflatables being a problem.

Saying they were dangerous was a bit out of context.

I'm no expert in Kayaking, but common sense tells you not to go out in massive seas or if the conditions are bad. That's when the surfboard comes out.

Saying they were dangerous was a bit out of context

I disagree, the combo of water, currents, winds and inexperience is dangerous in the wrong hands, the advice I was given first hand by an expert is not out of context

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PostSubject: Re: Kayak roof bars   Wed Jun 01, 2011 9:16 pm

Got to agree with Kiteman, I use our inflatable at sea and go out a decent distance, however, if weather gets, or is too bad I don't, common sense. The boats aren't dangerous, it's usually the people in them as with any sport.
The boat we use (sevylor hudson) is rated as a sea going kayak, not all inflatables are designed or intended for such, all comes down to personal choice.
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PostSubject: Re: Kayak roof bars   Thu Jun 02, 2011 9:23 am

Seems 'common sense' is the best way forward whatever size of boat, kayak etc...People still drown in any size boat if they dont think about the conditions etc. Im testing my inflatable Kayak today so will let you know. Gurggle gurggle....... drunken
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PostSubject: Re: Kayak roof bars   Mon Jun 06, 2011 12:16 pm

Just to let you know the inflatable kayaks were great fun and we took them out on a windy day / choppy water with no problems. Only thing is you must make sure you inflate them properly and use the gauge they supply to check. Kids loved them too. I also bought some different types of oars and the 4 part ones were the best as they pack down to a small size and arent too long either when made up Smile
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PostSubject: Re: Kayak roof bars   Fri Oct 28, 2011 6:58 pm

Old topic I know...but I wonder if one of these could be made to fit above the pop top, then unhinged out of the way when you want to put the roof up:



Or one of these:


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