| New Red9 Design wishbone and R&P front end | |
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+17Dennis TimV Hawys0 tjcbhill MarcusH neillitesteer Rachelvw Tallulah michel_bonn dizzylizard Vladaria gordonmac Kaz5997 olive Scooby kiteman Kev 21 posters |
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Kaz5997
Cabin : Club Location : Portsmouth Posts : 17 Join date : 2014-12-18
| Subject: Re: New Red9 Design wishbone and R&P front end Wed Feb 10, 2016 3:21 pm | |
| next time its on the ramp i will post some more pics, probs be friday as ive also just rebuilt and done some engine mods | |
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michel_bonn
Cabin : Club Location : Germany, near Cologne- Bonn Posts : 946 Join date : 2011-08-31
| Subject: Re: New Red9 Design wishbone and R&P front end Wed Feb 10, 2016 3:50 pm | |
| that ist very good inspiration for me, because i will cahnge my steering too. but this is not this year. very good job!!!
what ist the price for this? ________________________________________________________________________________ http://www.t2-c.de
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Voyager
Cabin : Flight 044 Location : Alderley Edge Posts : 1370 Join date : 2013-08-10
| Subject: Re: New Red9 Design wishbone and R&P front end Wed Feb 10, 2016 4:24 pm | |
| - michel_bonn wrote:
- that ist very good inspiration for me, because i will cahnge my steering too. but this is not this year.
very good job!!!
what ist the price for this? It's about 2700 Euros. You'll need something to keep that Subaru in a straight line! | |
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michel_bonn
Cabin : Club Location : Germany, near Cologne- Bonn Posts : 946 Join date : 2011-08-31
| Subject: Re: New Red9 Design wishbone and R&P front end Wed Feb 10, 2016 4:41 pm | |
| oh, wow, but thank you for information, i must save more money for that ;-))) ________________________________________________________________________________ http://www.t2-c.de
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Vladaria
Cabin : Club Posts : 76 Join date : 2016-02-04
| Subject: Re: New Red9 Design wishbone and R&P front end Mon Jul 25, 2016 11:20 am | |
| Just booked ours in to have Wishbone Suspension & Vented Disk Brakes fitted Great conversation with Simon, who was really helpful Only sad thing is we can't get in until mid-October - so will be wandering all over the road for this years shows...) | |
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Scooby
Cabin : Flight 004 Location : Reading Posts : 8831 Join date : 2010-12-12
| Subject: Re: New Red9 Design wishbone and R&P front end Mon Jul 25, 2016 7:41 pm | |
| Scooby likes to wander Typically slowly from A to Zee (not just A to Bee) As they say; Its the journey not the destination ________________________________________________________________________________ Proud winners of Spike's Trophy 2017 Scooby - Born To Run | |
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Voyager
Cabin : Flight 044 Location : Alderley Edge Posts : 1370 Join date : 2013-08-10
| Subject: Re: New Red9 Design wishbone and R&P front end Sat Jul 29, 2017 8:56 am | |
| I've just come back from a visit to Red9, where I was booked in for the purpose of swapping out the bevel box on our Red9 beam in order to get more ground clearance. Unfortunately it proved to be impossible. It seems that the space available to fit the connecting rod between the bevel box and the rack is dependent on a number of factors, air-cooled or water-cooled, whether the van has been lowered, LHD or RHD, and how the RHD conversion was done. The bottom line was that even if the bevel box was swapped out it would gain less than 1cm of ground clearance. I could sort it by raising the van, but I don't really want to do that. It seems that the alternative would be to fabricate and fit some sort of bash plate to protect the bevel box, as Skytiger did to protect the brake adjuster. I will be starting a new post about the proposed bash plate project. By the way, Marcus's van is LHD, and I believe that Steve's RHD conversion wasn't done by Danbury, and neither of them seem to have had the same issues with ground clearance. | |
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Voyager
Cabin : Flight 044 Location : Alderley Edge Posts : 1370 Join date : 2013-08-10
| Subject: Re: New Red9 Design wishbone and R&P front end Sat Jul 29, 2017 6:21 pm | |
| I've taken another look at the underside of the van, and noticed that the connecting rod from the brake pedal to the master cylinder passes underneath the chassis members, whereas in Steve's conversion it passes through holes in the chassis members. In Marcus's LHD the brake pedal and master cylinder are on the same side of the van, so the problem doesn't arise. | |
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Dennis
Cabin : Exec 033 Location : Manorbier Pembrokeshire Posts : 1162 Join date : 2010-08-08
| Subject: Re: New Red9 Design wishbone and R&P front end Sat Jul 29, 2017 7:04 pm | |
| I am now a little concerned i have ordered red 9 and neil is fitting it with litesteer and we plan to drop it about 3 inches. Danbury seems to drop their vans about 2.5 inches. I have had my lowered van for 7 years and never had a problem is half an inch going to give me a problem. Thanks Tim | |
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Voyager
Cabin : Flight 044 Location : Alderley Edge Posts : 1370 Join date : 2013-08-10
| Subject: Re: New Red9 Design wishbone and R&P front end Sat Jul 29, 2017 7:49 pm | |
| Our Red9 is fitted on the second set of holes from the top, which gives you the same height all round as Danbury's lowered van. The first thing to check is that you have the appropriate bevel box. I originally ordered the Bay version, but the bevel box had to be swapped out for the one that they normally use for Splitscreens. We have about 6 inches clearance under the bevel box. If you are comfortable with that then there shouldn't be a problem. You could PM me some photos of the underside of your van, and I can tell you whether it looks like ours. If you think there might be a problem you could talk to Neil and/or Simon at Red9. They are both good guys and very knowledgeable. | |
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Vladaria
Cabin : Club Posts : 76 Join date : 2016-02-04
| Subject: Re: New Red9 Design wishbone and R&P front end Sat Jul 29, 2017 9:05 pm | |
| I believe ours is a splitscreen one too - I love the Red9 system handles so much better (even without litesteer). Local garage had to redo the speedo cable (before they'd pass my MOT) the refitted one was catching. Very pleased with the Red9 system. | |
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Dennis
Cabin : Exec 033 Location : Manorbier Pembrokeshire Posts : 1162 Join date : 2010-08-08
| Subject: Re: New Red9 Design wishbone and R&P front end Sat Jul 29, 2017 9:40 pm | |
| Will have a look in morning raining her at present if i recall the lowest part is the anti rollbar. Have been speaking to neil and simon for the last month. And will deciede how low when it is fitted i want to beat it hard with the lowering stick. Cannot wait only heard good things about red9 and excellent things about neil. Tim | |
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Voyager
Cabin : Flight 044 Location : Alderley Edge Posts : 1370 Join date : 2013-08-10
| Subject: Re: New Red9 Design wishbone and R&P front end Sun Jul 30, 2017 9:36 am | |
| The whole front beam will go anyway, including the anti-roll bar. | |
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Dennis
Cabin : Exec 033 Location : Manorbier Pembrokeshire Posts : 1162 Join date : 2010-08-08
| Subject: Re: New Red9 Design wishbone and R&P front end Sun Jul 30, 2017 10:00 am | |
| I can judge my clearence because at present the anti roll bar is my lowest point. Tim | |
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Tallulah
Cabin : Flight 011 Location : South Somerset, UK Posts : 5101 Join date : 2011-06-05
| Subject: Re: New Red9 Design wishbone and R&P front end Sun Jul 30, 2017 10:20 am | |
| Please be advised that standard height measurement for a Brazilian Kombi must be made in 'Irn Bru cans', as demonstrated by @skytiger below. ________________________________________________________________________________ www.alpinegrovetouringpark.com Twitter: @AlpineGrove Facebook: facebook.com/alpinegrovetouringpark
| | Former owners of the amazing Tallulah (2011 to 2021) Proud winners of Spikes Trophy, 2016. Freedom, in style... |
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Dennis
Cabin : Exec 033 Location : Manorbier Pembrokeshire Posts : 1162 Join date : 2010-08-08
| Subject: Re: New Red9 Design wishbone and R&P front end Sun Jul 30, 2017 1:35 pm | |
| Can i do mine with gin bottles !!!! | |
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Tallulah
Cabin : Flight 011 Location : South Somerset, UK Posts : 5101 Join date : 2011-06-05
| Subject: Re: New Red9 Design wishbone and R&P front end Sun Jul 30, 2017 2:08 pm | |
| - Dennis wrote:
- Can i do mine with gin bottles !!!!
How many gin bottles to an Irn Bru can? ________________________________________________________________________________ www.alpinegrovetouringpark.com Twitter: @AlpineGrove Facebook: facebook.com/alpinegrovetouringpark
| | Former owners of the amazing Tallulah (2011 to 2021) Proud winners of Spikes Trophy, 2016. Freedom, in style... |
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Skytiger
Cabin : Exec 008 Location : Central Scotland Posts : 1792 Join date : 2010-09-04
| Subject: Re: New Red9 Design wishbone and R&P front end Sun Jul 30, 2017 7:17 pm | |
| Haha! Irn bru is the only way to measure | |
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neillitesteer
Cabin : Business Location : Flimwell Posts : 69 Join date : 2011-10-25
| Subject: Re: New Red9 Design wishbone and R&P front end Mon Jul 31, 2017 5:08 pm | |
| - Voyager wrote:
- The whole front beam will go anyway, including the anti-roll bar.
You can refit the Anti roll bar with the red 9 (just takes a bit of engineering) | |
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Voyager
Cabin : Flight 044 Location : Alderley Edge Posts : 1370 Join date : 2013-08-10
| Subject: Re: New Red9 Design wishbone and R&P front end Tue Aug 01, 2017 8:04 am | |
| - neillitesteer wrote:
- Voyager wrote:
- The whole front beam will go anyway, including the anti-roll bar.
You can refit the Anti roll bar with the red 9
(just takes a bit of engineering)
That's really interesting Neil, I never considered that possibility. We've had our Red9 for 2 years now, and the steering is really precise, but the van is still prone to gusts of wind from the side. It's better than a conventional steering set-up because there's no play, but it still takes you by surprise when you're hit by a sudden gust. Would an anti-roll bar help that? I also started a separate thread about the possibility of a rear anti-roll bar, which seems to be available for classic T2s. | |
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neillitesteer
Cabin : Business Location : Flimwell Posts : 69 Join date : 2011-10-25
| Subject: Re: New Red9 Design wishbone and R&P front end Tue Aug 01, 2017 8:57 am | |
| It should help but to what extent will remain to bee seen. the van was fitted with one for good reason and despite what suspension system is used i felt that it should remain. hence coming up with a solution that retains it.
other factors are ride height and design of pop top roofs. unfortunately these vans have a large flat surface area therefore they will always be prone to wind shear.
As for the rear roll bar i have found the aftermarket bar to be quite stiff. it would be interesting to try one on a Brazilian van though but the results couldn't be guaranteed.
Neil | |
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tjcbhill
Cabin : Club Location : Bexhill, East Sussex Posts : 54 Join date : 2014-07-20
| Subject: Re: New Red9 Design wishbone and R&P front end Wed Aug 23, 2017 4:36 pm | |
| Serious looking kit ! I am very keen to have one fitted. I am assuming you need to tell your insurance company? did that have any detrimental effect to you guys that have had this done ?
Also, silly question but does it cause any complication with your MOT ? | |
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Voyager
Cabin : Flight 044 Location : Alderley Edge Posts : 1370 Join date : 2013-08-10
| Subject: Re: New Red9 Design wishbone and R&P front end Thu Aug 24, 2017 9:23 am | |
| - tjcbhill wrote:
- Serious looking kit ! I am very keen to have one fitted. I am assuming you need to tell your insurance company? did that have any detrimental effect to you guys that have had this done ?
Also, silly question but does it cause any complication with your MOT ? It's certainly advisable to tell your insurance company, as per any modification. They wouldn't normally have any issues, as long as they understand that it is a modification intended to improve safety rather than performance, unlike installing a Porsche engine or suchlike. It doesn't cause any issues with the MOT, although to be fair I always take our van to the garage which services it, which is run by a T2 owner and enthusiast. | |
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Dennis
Cabin : Exec 033 Location : Manorbier Pembrokeshire Posts : 1162 Join date : 2010-08-08
| Subject: Re: New Red9 Design wishbone and R&P front end Thu Aug 24, 2017 9:56 am | |
| I am having Red 9 and lite steer fitted by Neil in Oct (red9 10 week delivery) will let you know how it goes. Tim | |
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tjcbhill
Cabin : Club Location : Bexhill, East Sussex Posts : 54 Join date : 2014-07-20
| Subject: Re: New Red9 Design wishbone and R&P front end Thu Aug 24, 2017 12:54 pm | |
| Thanks for the replies. I will be interested to hear how you get on, Dennis as I am torn between Lite-Steer, Red9 or both !! Whatever I decide I will calling on the services of Neil as I am lucky to be only about half hour away from him | |
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